Clarify the ToS on modding of games, specifically BeatOn for Beat Saber
Due to the new ToS being shown in the "Unknown Sources" section, and the implications of it being unclear, the very popular mod "BeatOn" for custom songs, sabers and platforms for Beat Saber was discontinued. Since Beat Saber and Custom Songs are a huge buying incentive for a lot of people interested in the Quest, a statement should be made whether this type of mod is considered illicit or is accepted by Oculus.
Oculus Quest become useless without custom songs for Beat Saber. Maybe you should consider allowing Beat On to continue it's existence with Oculus Quest.
Custom songs are the only reason i played this game and now that their gone i no longer have a reason to play im not in favor of this decision
James Birdsong commented
Custom songs is most of the enjoyment of Beat Saber IMHO. Taking a stance against modding applications is a move to being closer to a games console, but this move does leave much of the community high and dry when custom songs on Beat Saber was a large part of the decision to purchase the Quest in the first place.
I'm not saying that I know the best way to fix this conflict, but this move has impacted negatively a significant subset of the Oculus community.
Seriously oculus, your cracking down on such simple things that aren't even bad, people aren't making money off the songs, the songs aren't being redistributed. I mostly only play my quest for the fact of beat saber and custom songs. The base game songs kind of aren't the best and are too easy. I like to challenge myself on Beat Saber with custom songs, thanks for just ruining it, can't wait for oculus link so I can just mod on my pc.
Changing the TOS midstep is a big disservice to your users. Oculus has been happy to advertise on the popularity of Beat Saber, and we bought hardware based on the support for modding. Changing the rules on us now is a betrayal.
Jesse P commented
Seriously, part of the fun BeatSaber provided was due to that mod, cause for a lack of automation processes (auto-generated maps are a thing for other applications) and no native custom songs-function, you'd get sick of the same couple of songs, even including DLC. Many people turned to modding for that simple reason.
Yes, there's copyright stuff involved, I get that. Can't have users pirate music (they might have recorded perfectly legally from a nearby radio).
But seriously, how is that involving *all* mods?? o.O Beatsaber was the most heavily modded app for quest. With that gone it's back to static gaming I guess. Unless the game's devs go ahead and opt-in to modding?!
(again, seriously, users buy the software, or whatever usage rights, so they should be allowed to mod without fear of the banhammer, excluding multiplayer cheats of course, but that'd be a matter of reporting by users)
Charles Souders commented
I have purchased almost every game on quest, plus every oculus headset and hundreds of titles on those headsets, but I still spend most of my time playing beat saber with BeatOn for custom songs.
Custom songs are a officially supported the PC Rift Version of Beat Saber and in May Beat Games Promised Quest support for custom songs would be included in future updates, so it is obvious there is no inherent legal issue with custom songs.
Since Beat games has failed to provide the promised features, the beat saber mod community has graciously stepped forward and contributed thousands of hours of effort into providing these features to Quest Owners who have legally purchased Beat Saber.
Now the people who use Quest the most, those who give the most to the Quest community and who legally purchased content are being targeted and intimidated.
You should focus your efforts on people who are pirating your software. those of us who like to tinker and mod the thousands of dollars worth of software we purchase from you should not have to worry about being harassed about the software we own. We are not selling it, we are not redistributing it... it’s simply on our computers, and we have the right to experiment with the things we purchase.
Darren Ellis commented
Please clarify position on Beaton and custom songs if this were to go it’s a sad day for the community
I was about to purchase a Quest, but I am big fan of modding, and now I am not even sure. Unless we get answers I might stick with my half broken Rift.
Gabe Toth commented
This is a legal request, please provide a clarification!
Locking down an Android device like this is in no ones best interest but some smarmy PR agent or a laywer. Get them out of decision making and just let us enjoy what we paid for. Don't act like the music industry did. We'll never respect this decision making, and just stay on platforms like SteamVR where we are more free to enjoy ourselves.
Thanks oculus. This makes me very sad. Takes the shine off buying the quest. I don’t mine paying for a song, but I should be able to choose what songs I want to pay for, not have to buy a music pack that you guys are choosing and over priced one at that. Beat saber is the only game I really play regularly, now you just blew that away.
Thanks, refunded BeatSaber.
Jon Daly commented
This was the only reason I played the game lmao
The incentive to buy a quest to play beat saber is gone. The game has too few good songs on its own. It needs custom songs.
chance mcabee commented
beat saber was one of the only reasons i bought the quest and now they took away the best part of it its actually disappointing
Beatsaber sucks without mods, not cool Oculus. Wont recommend this game to anyone any more. Will stick to PC if this is the future. Disgusting policies
David Alexander commented
This was the worst news I could have imagined for the Oculus Quest!
Please clarify your position on this and communicate with Beat Saber because the Quest seller right now is custom songs.
I sold several to people after they tried custom songs on Beat Saber. I demod earlier to someone and they were so excited then I told them the bad news and they decided not to buy.
Gary Stewart commented
Just put my Quest in Storage. Pointless device without Custom Songs.
Charge us €10 for any 10 songs or something.
The record industry got wiped out by banning, hunting and prosecuting people until Apple said
'Hey they want mp3's.? Sell them to the people.'
We definitely need this given all the hysteria now on the Quest subreddit with people thinking they're going to get banned. Come on, Oculus, make an official statement as all the TOS does right now is fear monger for some of those people.