Allow Rift S to use external cameras from the original Rift
Everyone who has upgraded to the Rift S from the CV1 has encountered a downgrade in tracking in various games. A great example would be shooter games where you have to aim down sights, which causes you to lose tracking since the controller is too close to the headset. Supporting the external cameras would allow more people to upgrade from the original rift without sacrificing their tracking. Also people with the Rift S would have the option to purchase more cameras to “enhance the experience”. The only issues that can possibly be encountered would be USB bandwidth errors from having the sensors and the Rift S, however 1 or 2 external cameras should provide a more seamless experience to the Rift S.
Guys before Rift S released they said they could do this. After release I sent a message to Carmack on twitter and he replied, if you go find that message on twitter you can see what he said. From memory it was something along the lines of "We could do it, but it would be a lot of work, better to hope that Insight tracking improves with future updates". That was the response I got from the man himself.
I would like to be able to use our original Constellation tracking too but it doesn't seem likely. I hope I'm wrong.
nfs nfs commented
I'm pretty sure it's less than a week of work from Oculus engineer on their SDK, just like using Vive controller with WMR, they can allow using Rift S HMD work separately with Touch + sensor. so the only thing they have to do is to enable using touch to be active without its own HMD.
They don't even have to code a new maths/algorithm etc... to make Rift S controller work with external sensor, only letting old sensors and Touch work simultaneously with Rift S and ditch Rifts S controller.
But then they will never do this as they will have to admit their Rift S controller isn't perfect and that will drive people away from Rift S. so maybe some unknown guy like revive guy can do this.
😭 I wonder what's taking them so long to do this.
Ben Reierson commented
I came here for the first time specifically to find this. I had perfect tracking with the cv1 sensors and still have them. The rift s tracking is good, but clearly limited somewhat. I get tracking issues at the edges while playing beat saber. I have a pretty bright room (lots of windows with no black-out capability), and I think the redundancy of the three sensors helped the old system a lot.
It seems obvious there is no technical reason this can't be done. In fact, it would be a great hackathon task. If I were a new member on the team, I'd use this to show how much I've grokked the tracking tech.
I know it will be niche, but it could just be an 'experimental' feature. You can try it, it may work, but it's not fully supported. It would go a LONG way towards rewarding loyalty and not fully abandoning older tech.
I agree with this %💯
So hear me out, anyone who plays the rift S all day that also owns a cv1 knows the rift cv1 has superior tracking.
The connection is not between the cv1 and its controllers but instead directly fed to the pc via the external sensors.
So with the S being the HMD and the controller tracking from CV1 controllers and external sensors you get the accuracy of a hawk and the clarity of the Rift S nice crisp visuals... I think external sensors and cv1 controllers should be an option for us hardcore gamers!
I mean it's not like a lot of us don't already own both 😅
Chance J. Ward commented
Not being able to use my existing sensors with the Rift S is the one and only reason I am not upgrading. I'll be buying a Rift S the same day this is fully implemented.
I too would like this feature added. It's not like the 2 systems aren't still practically and technically the same. They both use plain web cameras to track IR LEDs and they both are still USB bandwidth and power hogs.
RiftS actually seems to use far more bandwidth and power in my testing than the Rift CV1 with 3 external camera sensors but they both still come near the USB 3.0 spec so running them off a USB 3.0 powered hub is still the correct course of action to ensure the headsets have enough clean power and should be included at time of purchase.
After trying the rift s for a week I had to go back to the rift cv1 because I kept losing tracking when my hands are at my sides or behind me, this may not be as big a deal for those who are ultra-skinny or have not experienced full 360 degrees tracking with no occlusion but it is a pretty big deal-breaker when you realize you have to settle for a worse tracking experience, more fragile controllers and still no full body options without going to Valve, HTC or Microsoft. All of these tracking issues could be fixed with the addition of one or 2 optional external cameras without creating an undue burden on anything.
No thx. Those old Constellation sensors are USB hogs.
Ludvig Almvång commented
Using external sensors should have been an option from the day of release.
Lewis McCaughey commented
Yes completely in favour of this. It sucks being a supporter of the original rift having all 3 sensors and all this tech is completely useless now going forward. I would definitely upgrade to a rift s if we had this option.
Ruggero Barone commented
The problem is generated by the new position of the rings that are too close to the visor and even hit it when you try to aim. The rings are inward because the cameras have to see them so I don't really know how to solve this problem. I wouldn't agree to add again external sensors or cameras but may be remove the rings and insert the IR LED in a kind of glove will improve the tracking, at least the ring will not hit anymore the visor and the IR LED would be a bit more far, may be just enough for the cameras to see them.
Also the new rings position make them collide each other when you extend your hands causing the lose of the tracking for one of the controller. Also to write on a virtual keyboard is bothering since they hit each other all the time. I really can't understand how the developers could make such mistake in the project, so many applications and games in VR require such movements.
Please allow this there is nothing more annoying then having your hand float off during gun battle. It would make for an even better experience allowing the best of both worlds.
Hello, agree that extra tracking camera to eliminate FPS close up aiming would allow users to get the most out of the rift s. Sooner the better as this impacts the game play enormously. Is this something on the cards in the near future.
I’d not be opposed to Oculus implementing one constellation tracking tower from the CV1 into the S system ...as an option for those who feel controller tracking is critical in preserving a full immersion experience. I mean, it could be used to just compliment the hand tracking in those dead-zones. The hand controllers still use IR LED patterns on the S’s rings, right?
I don’t quite got the “freedom from sensors” point when people talk about the S. I mean, it’s not like we’re taking our heavy tower PCs with us wherever we go, lol. My sensors stayed on my wall and the only time I notice there was anything hooked up at all is when I was looking for a free USB port (of which, I found I still had plenty). An untethered headset like the Quest could sport a word like “Freedom”, but mobility isn’t something I’m even considering while connected to a PC. Still, if they still wish to preserve that market demographic who find that “freedom” is important to them, then having a constellation tower option, as an actual “option” would still preserve that.
Andrew Meyer commented